people root against the yankees. they want to see the little guy succeed. >> do you have a favorite underdog of all time? >> i love the story of jason mcelwain, let him in the last game of his last year in high school, in for four minutes, scores 20 points and carry him off the court on their shoulders and and made the nation cry. made the president cry. >> george bush actually stopped to visit him on air force one. talk about overkochling the odds and succeeding, that's what it's all about. >> ry dechlt r cup, would that make the book? >> it's based on perspective. you talk about the miracle on ice, that ain't such a miracle on ice in russia. everything depends on your point of view. ryder cup, great collapse in america, no. it's all perfect spespective. >> len berman, nice to meet you. >> thank you, christine. nice to meet you. say hello to uncle joe. >>> ahead on "starting point" deadly details about fast and furious. 60 previously undiscovered guns now linked to the botched atf operation. is this scandal growing